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 Post subject: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:58 pm 
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I was hoping one of you fine holy paladins could direct me to any sort of "holy FAQ" that anybody has developed, akin to my ret FAQ, so that I may link it in the "Off-specs" section of Maintankadin. Anybody know of anything of the sort?

If there isn't one, I'd like to humbly request that one be created for reference and linking purposes!

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
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I've actually tried to write one twice, but I keep getting bogged down and getting way too detailed :)

I might take another crack at it though - if I get time tonight, I'll bash out a draft and post it here for peoples' feedback.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:26 pm 
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http://www.raider101.com may have some of the basics, but aside from that I can't think of any other such site for beginners.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
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Raider 101 is a good project, but I disagree with a few of Rohan's priorities there, and although it's a wiki it's locked down edit-wise, so I'd be just as happy to create something with more feedback options.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:37 pm 
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Draft 0.1, in which I've used Josh's questions as a basis.

Holy FAQ - WotLK - Pre 3.1

This FAQ includes details that will be not be relevant after 3.1 goes live.

ROLE

0. What do I do?

More than any other healer, paladin healers have a clearly defined role: you excel at healing a single target (or two) for massive amounts. You have no Heal-over-Time spells and no AoE heals, but you can keep a tank up through tremendous spike damage.

Which is not to say you can never heal a 5-man, or raid heal successfully - you certainly can, but it's not your speciality.

TALENTS & SPELLS

1. How should I spec?

For PvE: 51/0/20 or, if you can't rely on having Kings from another paladin, 51/5/15.
Some paladins choose to take the two points out of Pursuit of Justice, and put them into the Holy tree, into Conc Aura and/or Aura Mastery for a 53/0/18 build.

For PvP: 51/20/0 is the most common build for pure healing and support, although there are popular Holy/Ret hybrids for PvP as well.

2. What Seal should I use?

Use Seal of Wisdom or Seal of Light, depending on which one you have Glyphed (see Q. X below). This is purely to activate your glyph, as you'll rarely be swinging in melee.

3. What spells should I use?

There are no hard-and-fast rules about what spells to use in what order, as healing is fundamentally a reactive activity and your choice of spells should always be based on the situation.

Flash of Light is a low-throughput spell with very good mana efficiency. Use this for non-urgent raid heals, and topping off the tank if they're not taking much damage.
Holy Light is a high-throughput spell and is often used as the core heal for tank healing.
Holy Shock is a talent-based spell; it heals for a little more than Flash of Light, but is instant (with a 6s CD). Use this for an urgent heal. A crit Holy Shock gives you the Infusion of Light buff, making your next Flash of Light instant or your next Holy Light very fast and is a good way to put out a lot of healing fast.

Beacon of Light is excellent in situations where a couple of people are taking heavy damage, and can allow you to toss some raid heals while still healing your tank. Keep it on your tank in 5-mans; in raids put it on your heal target (if you're going to be doing a lot of raid healing as well) or on someone else taking heavy damage. It's costly on mana, so don't cast it if it won't be any use.

Sacred Shield should be used on people who will be taking multiple sources of damage, as it only kicks in after the first damage is taken. It does scale with spellpower, so it can absorb a lot of damage when cast a holy paladin. Try and keep it up at all times on your heal target.

4. What Judgement should I cast?

This depends on the situation:

- If you are the only paladin, use whichever your raid needs. If they're not short of mana, go with Judgement of Light as a default.
- If there are multiple specs of paladin, have the ret paladins judge Light and the prot paladins judge Wisdom. (If the ret paladins want to judge Wisdom, that's okay too.) Do not overwrite the prot paladin's Judgement.

For more information on the complexities of who judges what, see this PlusHeal thread

5. What Blessings do I want?

Wisdom > Kings > Sanct > Might until you start getting well-geared, then Kings > Wisdom.

See this post by Gryphonheart for details.

GEAR & CONSUMABLES

6. What stats do I want?

There is no easy answer to this question. Gearing as a healer is a balancing act between stats that improve your throughput (Spellpower, Haste, Crit, Intellect) and stats that improve your mana longevity (Intellect, Crit, mp5).

Intellect is the primary stat for a paladin healer because it affects your mana longevity (via mana pool, mana return effects like Divine Plea, Replenishment and Mana Tide Totem, and increasing your crit chance) and it affects your throughput (via Holy Guidance and increasing your crit chance). However, stacking Intellect early in the gearing process means you'll never run out of mana, but your heals won't be big enough to keep your tank alive.

As a general rule, go with the following order of priority on stats:

1. Intellect
2. Spellpower (which should be #1 on this list until you reach about 1700-1800; after that, focus on Intellect and the Spellpower will come via upgrades anyway)
3. Crit
4. Haste (but don't go over about 500; much more than that is wasted due to the extra haste from your Judgements)
5. mp5 (far less important than the first four, but not useless)
6. Stamina

Bear in mind that unlike priests or druids, you will rarely get any benefit from Spirit. Don't throw gear away just because it has Spirit, but ignore it completely when assessing an item's worth.

7. What glyphs should I use?

Major:

Minor: none of these are essential; feel free to change them.

8. What enchants should I use?
Helm: Arcanum of Burning Mysteries, Revered with Kirin Tor
Shoulders: Greater Inscription of the Storm, Exalted with Sons of Hodir, or Master's Inscription of the Storm if you're a Scribe.
Cloak: Greater Speed
Chest: Powerful Stats or Exceptional Mana
Bracers: Superior Spellpower or Fur Lining - Spellpower if you're a Leatherworker.
Gloves: Exceptional Spellpower
Belt: Eternal Belt Buckle
Legs: Sapphire Spellthread
Boots: Icewalker
Ring: Greater Spellpower if you're an enchanter.
Weapon: Mighty Spellpower
Shield: Greater Intellect

9. What gems should I use?

The best gems for socket colors are:

Red sockets: Runed Scarlet Ruby

Yellow sockets: Brilliant Autumn's Glow or Smooth Autumn's Glow

Red or yellow sockets: Luminous Monarch Topaz or Potent Monarch Topaz

Blue sockets: Royal Twilight Opal or Dazzling Forest Emerald

Follow your order of priorities from Question 6. If you're still in the stage of gearing up spellpower, use Runed gems in red sockets, and Luminous or Potent gems in yellow sockets. If you've hit your target for spellpower, use Luminous gems in red sockets, and Brilliant gems in yellow sockets.

For blue sockets, the gems are so weak (relatively speaking) that you should think long and hard about whether you really need that socket bonus; there's nothing wrong with putting an orange gem in a blue socket if the socket bonus is only 2 mp5.

Meta socket: The Insightful Earthsiege Diamond is streets ahead of the competition. (See this Elitist Jerks thread for the maths.)

10. Should I stack any melee stats?
Generally, no.

- Crit and Haste Rating are equally useful for spells.
- Stamina is always nice; don't gear for it, but consider it a bonus.
- Hit Rating is useful for making sure you land your Judgement for the haste buff, but shouldn't be taken over anything more healery.
- Strength, Attack Power and Armor Penetration are useless. Defense, Dodge, Parry, Block Rating and Block Value are nearly as useless.

When it comes to the 'perfect storm' of holy paladin stats - Spellpower, Crit, Haste and Intellect - you'll often find similar stats on elemental shaman mail, and it can make a good stopgap while looking for plate alternatives. Resto shaman mail is decent too, although it often has mp5 instead of crit, making it much less attractive.

11. Does my weapon matter?

Only the caster stats on it. On the rare occasions you melee with it, your 'white damage' (the damage caused by the actual DPS of the weapon) is irrelevant.

12. What consumables should I use?

Potions: Runic Mana Potion or Potion of Speed depending on your needs.

Elixirs: Flask of the Frostwyrm as the baseline flask, or Spellpower Elixir and Elixir of Mighty Thoughts for Elixirs instead of a Flask.

Food: Fish Feast if your raid uses them; otherwise Firecracker Salmon or Tender Shoveltusk Steak

See this post for more options and alternatives.

OTHER RESOURCES

13. What addons should I use?

This is very much a matter of personal choice, so I can't give you a canonical list of 'the best'.


Plus, of course, any normal addons you might want to use like boss mods, threat meters and so on.

14. What macros should I use?

Again, there are no hard-and-fast rules here. Commonly people will talk about two frequently-used macros:

Mouseover Macro

This macro is used where you float your mouse cursor over your raid frames and hit your macro keybind when you're mousing over the heal target. It's fast because you don't have to select a target, and good for healing lots of people at once (eg raid healing) or decursing/cleansing.

Code:
#showtooltip Flash of Light
/stopcasting
/cast [target=mouseover] [help] Flash of Light


Replace with the spell of your choice.

Healthrough Macro

This macro is designed so that if you have a hostile mob targeted (like a boss), you can cast your heal spell and it will land on the hostile mob's target. It's great for healing where you need to save whoever the boss is targeting and change targets fast.

Code:
#showtooltip Flash of Light
/stopcasting
/cast [button:2,target=player][target=target,help][target=targettarget,help] [target=none] Flash of Light


In order, this macro:
- Casts FoL on myself if I right click. If I left click or use the keybinding, then:
- Casts FoL on my target if they're friendly. If they're not, then:
- Casts FoL on my target's target if they're friendly. If not, then:
- Gives me the glowy-hand spell targeting cursor.

Replace with the spell name of your choice.

Rez Macro

This is used if your healers don't use addons with rez monitors, to help cut down time wasted by three people rezzing the same corpse.

Code:
#showtooltip Redemption
/cast Redemption
/stopmacro [combat,nohelp,nodead]
/say Upsadaisy, %t!


Change the /say to /raid or /# (where # is your healer channel number) if that suits your raid group better.

For more useful macros, see PlusHeal: thread 1, thread 2, and the Macros forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:49 pm 
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I had actually made a guide a while back for another site that served as an introduction for holy paladins, would I possibly be allowed to give at least a link to it?


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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:03 pm 
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If you're asking me - well, I'm not sure why you'd be asking me, but of course you can :)

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:18 pm 
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Siha wrote:
If you're asking me - well, I'm not sure why you'd be asking me, but of course you can :)


Figured it was good to ask, in case it offended someone:

http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f207/45259-holy-paladin-information.html

There are some bits of bias to it, I will admit: I love my tanks, so I tend to try to cater to them. I'd also ignore the later postings in that thread, a lot of it was trying to go towards paladins raiding later material.


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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:46 am 
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Lovely concise guide

2 minor things

I think glyph of seal of light is a creditable major glyph http://thottbot.com/s54943

if you glyph major seal of wisdom, there used to be an additional minor glyph. I dont glyph seal of wisdom, so I have forgotten the name ....

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:47 am 
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Excellent FAQ

Only 2 things:

1) I agree with Dieirdra, Glyph of seal of light is a nice major glyph. I equipped both Glyph of seal of light and Glyph of seal of wisdom, and change Seal depending on the fight. Probably since 3.1 the change in mana regen will force to always have Seal of wisdom up.

2) Probably it will be obsolete since 3.1, but also the 51/17/3 (Divine Guardian) spec could be listed as a niche-spec for holy paladins.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
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I knew I could count on you guys and gals at PlusHeal. Look forward to the rest. Going to link to this thread for now.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:44 am 
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khassad wrote:
Excellent FAQ

Only 2 things:

1) I agree with Dieirdra, Glyph of seal of light is a nice major glyph. I equipped both Glyph of seal of light and Glyph of seal of wisdom, and change Seal depending on the fight. Probably since 3.1 the change in mana regen will force to always have Seal of wisdom up.

2) Probably it will be obsolete since 3.1, but also the 51/17/3 (Divine Guardian) spec could be listed as a niche-spec for holy paladins.


I've tended to go more towards Seal of Wisdom glyph rather than the Seal of Light glyph because right now holy paladins tend to do a lot of overheal already, especially given how a lot of people just spam HL just because they can. Having the Glyph of Seal of Wisdom is a pretty nice mana restoration aid, especially when you already have it up and you can just go up and whack on the boss for a bit to regain some mana (such as on the 25 man Patchwerk fight, where you have to spam HL or risk a tank dying).

As for the spec you mentioned, I actually used to spec that just to have an "Oh crap!" button during periods like the enrage periods of Maexxna and Patchwerk. It is a nice little spec just for that; I went away from that because to me, I feel you shouldn't have to try to spec for an "Oh crap!" moment, you should have strategies in place to use (For instance, Hand of Sacrifice + popping Divine Shield still does wonders with one target).


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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:24 am 
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I like it, neat and concise . . . I vote (it that carries any weight) that it become a "sticky" . . .


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:37 am 
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I've tracked down the minor glyph I was referring to, and its startlingly useless these days http://thottbot.com/i43369. It was of course much more useful when a seal had a 30sec refresh timer.


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I've got some links to older healing information as well. These were written in the early days of BC I think, but still have some good information:

http://nihilum.mousesports.com/en/artic ... ling_tips/

http://nihilum.mousesports.com/en/artic ... _in_raids/

Hope you find them useful, FWIW.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy FAQ?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:40 pm 
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Siha wrote:
I've actually tried to write one twice, but I keep getting bogged down and getting way too detailed :)

I might take another crack at it though - if I get time tonight, I'll bash out a draft and post it here for peoples' feedback.



I've been using Siha's website, www.bananashoulders.com for a long-long time.
Hands down the best guide I've found online.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:12 pm 
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Okay, I've finished the post, and I'll pin the thread as a sticky.

Given I spent a few hours writing this, I'm also going to post a modified version of it on my blog, as I do have some readers who just don't hang out here no matter how much I chivvy them! :)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:51 am 
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Dieirdra wrote:
I've tracked down the minor glyph I was referring to, and its startlingly useless these days http://thottbot.com/i43369. It was of course much more useful when a seal had a 30sec refresh timer.


Glyph of the Wise was a huge mana saver before the last patch. Thanks for mentioning this, because I was wondering why Siha's FAQ didn't touch on it and I am still using it. At least running this old thing isn't as bad as forgetting to fill my last glyph slot at 80.

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Yeah, I'm still running it on Live basically due to a lack of anything else worth slotting instead. :/ WTB unsucky minor glyphs, per favore!

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Unfortunately it seems Blizz doesn't want us to have any cool minor glyphs. :[

Thanks for writing up the guide, Siha! Sadly I cannot read Banana Shoulders at work, but I can see it in my RSS feed -- but luckily I can see PlusHeal!

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